Why Engies are the worst prof

[______________Aaleji]

Originally posted by Archimedes
The Original Electronicum v3
Damage 1-390 (345)
Speed 2.3 s/1.4s
Requirements pistol 1017

Concerning that most classes have there damage toned down by the critical nerfs, this weapon is very competitive.

And the +150 engi pistol buff comes in handy here.

Maybe some engi should start DOING something in the fight instead of just waiting 2 rooms away.
If you say: "I cant do it, I dont have the IP nor the life"
Well then you better improve there are others that allready can do it.

Nice gun Arch The only hang up is that you need 814 in base pistol stat to use it non-OE'ed post 14.2.

[__________Munchausen]

Originally posted by Archimedes
The Original Electronicum v3
Damage 1-390 (345)
Speed 2.3 s/1.4s
Requirements pistol 1017

Concerning that most classes have there damage toned down by the critical nerfs, this weapon is very competitive.

And the +150 engi pistol buff comes in handy here.

Maybe some engi should start DOING something in the fight instead of just waiting 2 rooms away.
If you say: "I cant do it, I dont have the IP nor the life"
Well then you better improve there are others that allready can do it.

This is actually the sort of post I find annoying. First, the pistol buff is 120 points and has a req of 648 is TWO dark blue nano skills that have really no other use other than a 114 ranged init buff at around 600 in the same dark blue skills. Engies really cant use this till around 165 or higher.

Second, at the point at which we don't even attempt to path a bot to the fight, we are flat our the worst profession. Yes, we can equip a gun and shoot, but pistols are so poor at dealing damage that we can't keep up with anyone who uses the better (or the same) guns AND has support skills (healing, buffing) that we don't.

The gun you mention is junk but it doesn't matter if it were the best gun in the game. When engies can't use their bot we turn into the worst class in the game as anyone else could equip the same weapon and do as much damage but would have something to offer the group other than a warm body.

Munchausen

P.S. Two suggestions to start. 1) /pet arrive (a instant teleport, locking mech engie for 10 secs) 2) Slayerdroids or another line use ranged attacks (should make it much easier to path when you don't need to melee)

[______Ripple of Soul]

Just want to point out that you will probably get aggro much more often if pet actually starts using ranged attack. Since a range attack pet doesnt have to get close to the mob, it will get closer to you instead, which means mobs will be closer to you (eventually) as well.

Pet pathing probably will get worse off as well, since now in addtion of usual factors the pathing AI will have to consider range and line of sight against an enemy as well. Remember how easy it is to trick and keep those range mobs running around instead of shooting at you?

Teleporting idea is pretty neat though

[_________KrazyKanuck]

Originally posted by Archimedes
The Original Electronicum v3
Damage 1-390 (345)
Speed 2.3 s/1.4s
Requirements pistol 1017

Concerning that most classes have there damage toned down by the critical nerfs, this weapon is very competitive.

And the +150 engi pistol buff comes in handy here.

Maybe some engi should start DOING something in the fight instead of just waiting 2 rooms away.
If you say: "I cant do it, I dont have the IP nor the life"
Well then you better improve there are others that allready can do it.

Sure a engie can dump tons of IPs into fight skills. But we are called engieneers for a reason. I could neglect my tradeskills entirely and be a OK fighter but you know i sorta think that a engineer should be able to engieneer things. I dunno maybe you don't want to.

[Takun]

So who wants to take up the job of updating this baby?

[Maxisolja]

Engies arnt worst prof anymore, fixed

[Uaintseenme]

Engies arnt worst prof anymore, fixed

Says the person with every profession BUT an engineer in his sig.

[Saetos]

So who wants to take up the job of updating this baby?

I loved the post where they had to wait til at least 160+ to self the slayerdroid

[Technogen]

Oh wtf bad Takun!

*bops uaint for not saying this before me*

Side note, it is interesting to see how far we have come... and how far we haven't.

[Uaintseenme]

*bops uaint for not saying this before me*

Side note, it is interesting to see how far we have come... and how far we haven't.

yes it is intresting to see and thats why i didnt scream Necro right away.
I wouldnt say that it puts things in to perspective exactly, but it does remind those of us who where there that this is just another low point in the eternal engie sucks/Engie Pwns cycle.

Though i do think this is the lowest on the food chain we have ever been.

[Forek]

Though i do think this is the lowest on the food chain we have ever been.

You mean, then was the lowest or now is the lowest?



Also to updating this thread:

PvE:
Great DD if someone else tanks, low if we have to keep agg on pet
Low to moderate PvE survivability as pets can take some pounding and we have reflects and BR if we get hit
No crowd control for adds (lol at pet tanking!)
Absolute buff hatred ... full sets of armor, huds and rings is stupid
No useful team buffs (reflects - solds, ACs - lol)

PvP
Moderate to good survivability against one person (blockers + coon + BR)
Low survivability against muliple players (eat through defences fast)
No PvP supported weapon = no kills (no KEC is not supported, anything requiring a full set of CC to keep out of OE and using dark blue skills is not supported!)
Terrible Pet Pathing (they simply don't hit)
Buffs again


Essentially in a team or raid situation, we do good PvE damage and that's about it with below average solo ability. In PvP it's hard to kill you in a 1v1 situation, but you've got no way to actually hurt your opponent and if you get close, they can just run away. Also if you have more than 1 opponent you're gonna get raped. We're sort of where shades were a few years back but without the evades.

[-Stage-]

Though i do think this is the lowest on the food chain we have ever been.

I thought engis were supposed to have sucked terribly at PvP pre-SL.

[Takun]

I thought engis were supposed to have sucked terribly at PvP pre-SL.

Caterwaul and Enhanced Queen Blade win!

[Uaintseenme]

caterwaul was the "FTW" weapon for engies back then, but my MEP+PoP combo was pretty mean too.

Edit: As an after thought, my blinds landing, reflect rippers being a lot more effective V's lower reflects and the snare actualy landing on the occasional enfie might have had a lot to do with it too.

[Takun]

Yes...

The game was nice when tool sets actually worked :P

[Maxisolja]

Sorry Uaintseenme, added my engie to my sig

[Takun]

I would like to offer that I PvP on my 15 engi and not on my 216 engi. From my viewpoint, I think I do pretty good in PvP at that lowbie level.

/pet attack
/sneak

? :P

[Takun]

I was simply pointing out what level 15 pvp is like for an engineer.

[Saetos]

I was simply pointing out what level 15 pvp is like for an engineer.

As Boru's orgmate I can say that's not how it goes for him

[momokalex]

Im sooo suprised that people say all these bull**** ^^ [not all of you] Some1 said tthat soldier have betetr AC buffs than engis...egis have the best AC buff in the game : 5000AC...and they have one of the most powerfull shield also wich is the :Isochronal Sloughing Assault Shield. Their pets hid the hardest in the game, and sadly i have to agree with the pathing but not with the fact that engis cant brinf anything to a team and that engis to the worst damage ...